During the years that led to WWII, the word “Nazi” was used as a derogatory term against the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, translated in English as National Socialist German Worker’s Party
Yes is the article written in present day, but I’m saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren’t right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn’t be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
Opponents of NSDAP also used the word “Sozi” prior to “Nazi” as a derogative representation of the word Sozialist or “Socialist” in English.
It’s not that the meaning of “socialist” changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
This is a fascinating conversation to follow. The Nazi’s absolutely were not left nor socialist, but there might be a history class difference. American hatred of socialism is soo deep and history textbooks are so useless (since most are made in Texas and cater to those politics) I remember a HUGE emphasis on Nazi being National Socialist and another example of why socialism never worked. It starts early here man. I think we’re seeing a lot of the effects these days.
It was in the name of the party, north-korea’s official name is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea it happens more often that countries and parties choose a name that’s not representative for what they really are
This is exactly why they complain about liberalism and just added another slimy definition. (Not left, but looks like people pointed that out already.)
I see plenty of people covered the whole nazis =/= socialist thing already, so I’ll abstain there. I didn’t see anyone mentioning that left-wing nationalism CAN be (but usually isn’t) a thing too. Nationalism is not inherently a conservative thing. Vietnamese nationalism would be a form of left-wing nationalism - pretty much for them, just the idea that the Vietnamese people should be the ones in charge of Vietnam, not some other country.
Its the students themselves who are criminally conservative, in addition to the schools administrative hierarchy promoting far-right neo-feudalism and calling it capitalism.
Rape, assault, and battery are the accepted norm among the Harvard student body.
Today, a university-wide email went out from Harvard President Drew Faust detailing the initial results of a survey completed by Harvard students which asked about individual experiences with sexual assault and campus perceptions of sexual assault.
You find things where you look for them…
Of all the schools surveyed, Harvard had the highest participation rate: 53% of all degree-seeking students across Harvard schools responded. This was significantly higher than the 19% average across all the schools surveyed.
And you only find them when people feel confident and safe enough to speak up.
You seem to be arguing for the trump/RFK method where you don’t count things and then deny they happened…
Ty for grabbing the context for me. Yeah, I think it’s also fair to say there are literally criminally conservative ideals in some of the student body based on the survey. Not enough to condem the entire student body, but I think their point is that those ideals already exist within Harvard, so the point of political repression/reprogramming is moot. At least, that’s how I look at it.
lol, as if Harvard were liberal
they’re infamously, thuggishly conservative
By Nazi standards, conservatives are too far left.
From an extreme right viewpoint, everything is left.
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Nazis were not socialist lmao
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-origin-of-the-term-nazi.html
Literally the next sentence from your source:
Emphasis mine.
Yes is the article written in present day, but I’m saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren’t right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
Hitler hated that term but the party was already formed. Put the emphasis on the National part of national socialism.
Socialism was also popular at the time and they were using that to increase their appeal.
Socialists (and trade unionists and yes, communists) were among the first groups the Nazis targeted.
Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is an actual democracy?
It’s right there in the name…
Which wing of parliament did the NSDAP sit on, the right or the left?
If we’re gonna play bullshit word games, at least sitting on the right is relevant to the original definition of right wing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/29/greenes-ahistorical-claim-that-nazis-were-socialists/
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn’t be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
It’s not that the meaning of “socialist” changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
This is a fascinating conversation to follow. The Nazi’s absolutely were not left nor socialist, but there might be a history class difference. American hatred of socialism is soo deep and history textbooks are so useless (since most are made in Texas and cater to those politics) I remember a HUGE emphasis on Nazi being National Socialist and another example of why socialism never worked. It starts early here man. I think we’re seeing a lot of the effects these days.
Right, the Nazis were socialist in the same way North Korea is democratic.
The word socialist very much had a very well established meaning at that point (definitely more established than it currently is in the US).
Everything you’re saying is ahistorical. Why aren’t you at all interested in the reality of what happened?
They appropriated the term “socialist” as a marketing mechanism.
Yeah dude, we know what the word means.
And North Korea is obviously democratic!
Oh, wait, no that’s fucking retarded.
A couple of articles debunking the claim that Nazis were socialist:
No, the Nazis Were Not Socialists
Were the Nazis socialists?
It was in the name of the party, north-korea’s official name is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea it happens more often that countries and parties choose a name that’s not representative for what they really are
Aye. “Democratic Republic.”
This is exactly why they complain about liberalism and just added another slimy definition. (Not left, but looks like people pointed that out already.)
I see plenty of people covered the whole nazis =/= socialist thing already, so I’ll abstain there. I didn’t see anyone mentioning that left-wing nationalism CAN be (but usually isn’t) a thing too. Nationalism is not inherently a conservative thing. Vietnamese nationalism would be a form of left-wing nationalism - pretty much for them, just the idea that the Vietnamese people should be the ones in charge of Vietnam, not some other country.
That sounds more like self-determinism than nationalism.
Yep.
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/harvard-university-palestine-solidarity-committee-letter/
But no matter how “tough” they were to appease Biden’s admin and their own donors, it’s not enough for the rightwing.
It’s the base reason you can’t meet fascists halfway.
They fought against free speech and watched their students be abused, and now they’re getting shit for not going further.
It’s literally the plot to First They Came For
Its the students themselves who are criminally conservative, in addition to the schools administrative hierarchy promoting far-right neo-feudalism and calling it capitalism.
Rape, assault, and battery are the accepted norm among the Harvard student body.
For example:
https://www.fastcompany.com/3051357/at-harvard-college-16-of-female-seniors-surveyed-report-having-been-raped
https://nationaljurist.com/national-jurist/news/harvard-law-student-accused-of-homophobic-slur-and-violence-toward-another-student/
You find things where you look for them…
And you only find them when people feel confident and safe enough to speak up.
You seem to be arguing for the trump/RFK method where you don’t count things and then deny they happened…
Ty for grabbing the context for me. Yeah, I think it’s also fair to say there are literally criminally conservative ideals in some of the student body based on the survey. Not enough to condem the entire student body, but I think their point is that those ideals already exist within Harvard, so the point of political repression/reprogramming is moot. At least, that’s how I look at it.
American conservatives are supposed to be liberals, as in people that believe in ideological liberalism.
If someone tells you they hate liberals and socialists, believe them, and recognize what that means they are.